The Glue Factor

Your résumé might look like a straight line, but your real life rarely does. I’m sitting down with Jennifer Harris, a self-described “glue” who connects people, systems, and emotions and somehow makes the chaos hold together. Her career story is the kind that instantly challenges the myth that you have to pick one path and stay there: interior design, a hard pivot into bookkeeping during the 2008 era, a rapid climb into executive finance leadership, then consulting and operations leadership as a COO. 

We talk candidly about workplace culture, toxic leadership, and what it feels like to be underestimated and underpaid while carrying real responsibility. Jennifer also breaks down a truth that every leader and entrepreneur needs to hear: change management is mostly emotional. Building trust, translating complexity into human language, and helping teams move through fear often matters more than the tool, the software, or the plan. If you care about women in leadership, career pivots, consulting, and building healthy teams, there’s a lot here to take home. 

Then the conversation turns to what happens when you refuse to just scroll past a world that feels heavy. Jennifer shares why she started Mindful Retreats, what she learned from an early flop, and how creating a day of rest, journaling, yoga, sound baths, and honest connection can restore people who are doing too much for too long. We close with her mother’s unforgettable metaphor: your life is a tapestry, and the back is supposed to be messy. 

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Jennifer Harris can be reached at jennifer@mindful-retreats.org or visit her webiste at https://www.mindful-retreats.org/. 

Transcript

Welcome To She Sweet Society

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Welcome back to the She Sweet Society, the podcast where we celebrate the real, the raw, and the remarkable journeys of women who chose to bet on themselves. I'm your host, Dahlia, and today we're doing something brand new on She Suite Society for the first time ever. I sat down with one half of a business partner duo. Today you'll meet Jennifer. In the next episode, you'll meet her partner, and trust me, you're gonna want both. Jennifer Harris describes herself as the glue, the person who connects people, systems, emotions, and chaos and makes it all hold together. And when you hear her career story, you will completely understand why. We're talking interior design, bookkeeping, climbing all the way to CFO at a multinational company, COO, consulting, and then somehow, beautifully landing in mindfulness retreats. Because Jennifer looked at a world in chaos and decided she wasn't going to just scroll through it. She was going to do something about it. Her mom used to say that life is like a tapestry. I'll let Jennifer explain what that means, but I promise by the end of this conversation, you'll be thinking about the back of your own. Let's get into it.

Meeting Jennifer The Glue

SPEAKER_01 1:22

But no, we're going good. So let's jump into it. I know it's Monday morning, but we're I like Monday. I don't dread Mondays like everybody else does. I think it's just another day.

SPEAKER_02 1:31

Yeah. It's just another day.

SPEAKER_01 1:33

It really depends what you have that day. Right, exactly. So let's talk a little bit about you. What do you do? What do you what would you how would you introduce yourself today? What do you say you do?

SPEAKER_02 1:46

I am the glue. Um I am the glue. So that is both connecting people and all of their emotions and all of their messiness and what they want for their own lives. And maybe they don't know what they want for their own lives, but I connect people in companies so they feel heard. And so we're executing the things that they tell us are problems. Um, and I connect systems so then I know, okay, this we need a process for this. We need things uh to get this done. So I'm I'm um I'm the glue. I I connect things together. Uh that's really my my value that I bring to the world.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

You've always been that way.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

You know, I I feel like like as a kid, I was always trying to like joke around and get people to like laugh. And I was kind of the ham. So I feel like in a way that was, you know, cohesion or trying to get family members or whoever to to come together and and uh joke around about things. I feel like I've always been that person at every company that like people talk to, you know. My mom had the same thing. Like people would come up to her at a store and like randomly like ask her questions or they thought she worked there or something. And like I had that same thing where people just tell me stuff and um instead of you know just judging what they're saying based on whatever my thought is, you know, trying to really understand what what they're talking about. Um and I'm a helper, I love helping people, and I'm I like to connect people with other people, you know, and and to make sure that people's uh skills get brought to the top.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

So nice. Are you an only child?

SPEAKER_02 3:42

I'm not. I have an older sister, she is 40, 48, I think now. Um, and she lives in Hawaii, so we don't see her too often, but yeah, yeah. She moved out into the Marine Corps when she was, I think, 18. Um, so then she's always lived abroad, works for the government. She's always working in uh a lot of really cool um places around the world.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

That's gotta be fun to catch up to see what she's been in.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Yeah, yeah, like it's uh she gets to like send me pictures of her weekend, and

Growing Up Cleveland To Ohio State

SPEAKER_02 4:16

you just see like, you know, Waikiki Beach outside of her window. Um, so that's not bad, right?

SPEAKER_01 4:21

That's not bad at all. Did you grow up here in Ohio?

SPEAKER_02 4:25

I'm from the Cleveland area. Uh originally from Cleveland proper. Like there's a west of 140th Street, which is 140 streets from downtown, like the downtown line. Um, and very small home. My parents didn't have a lot of money. Uh so yeah, very small home, didn't have a lot of money. My parents didn't want me to go to public school, like you know, in high school. So they moved us out to a suburb called Brunswick, which is an hour and 45 minutes north uh north of here. So yeah, we moved I went to high school in Brunswick. I think I we moved in like the third or fourth grade.

SPEAKER_01 5:05

But yeah, you did private school.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

We did, but my parents was it an all-girls private school? So when I went, so I went to Ascension, that was our I went to a Catholic school when I was younger, but my parents couldn't afford private school once we moved to the suburb, or plus the schools were fine. So um, yeah, I did public school from like third or fourth grade on.

SPEAKER_01 5:28

Ah, I was gonna ask it.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Yes, yeah, I don't know if I'd been able to handle that for too long.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

It's a different world. I was just talking to my kids. I'm like, it is a different world in private school. Yeah, um, not a bad one, just different. Yeah, just different. All right. Did you go to college?

SPEAKER_02 5:48

I did. I went to Ohio State. I came down, I didn't go to college right away. So uh I apparently my parents went to an assembly at school that I wasn't at where they talked about the FAFSA form and how you could get like the government to pay for school and then you pay them back. I had no idea that was a thing. So I just immediately was like, I can't afford school. My sister went on the GI bill, so that's why she went in the Marines because they couldn't pay for school. Um, and then I was working uh at a restaurant as a server, and somebody told me, Well, did you fill out the FAFSA? And I was like, What's that? I have no idea what that is. And so immediately when I found out, like I could pay it back later, I did, I got my federal aid and I went to Ohio State. And uh my sister, who was on, like I said, the GI Bill was already living in Columbus, going to Ohio State and doing ROTC. So I moved in with her. Yeah, I moved out when I was 19 to go to Ohio State and been here almost the whole time since then.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Really? You've stayed here the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 6:48

Yeah, I went back for like a year. Um, but then yeah, then I was then I came back.

SPEAKER_01 6:54

What did you do at Ohio State?

SPEAKER_02 6:58

A lot.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Were you one of those? I was the same. Where you took like eight million and five different classes.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Oh my God. I think I had like 95 credit hours I couldn't actually use towards my degree when I finally graduated. I had no, are you allowed to swear on this? Yeah. I had no fucking idea what I wanted to do. So I and I hadn't I'd researched nothing. So I was really into photography. And before I came down to Ohio State, what I could afford was a couple classes at the community college. So I went to the community college and took a photography class. This was film camera, film camera, like dark room, how you're developing your film. Um, I did not research going into photography at Ohio State because I figured I have to take a couple years of like the electives or whatever until I get into my major, anyways. It doesn't really matter. Well, they had closed down the school of photography. Um, and you can only be in photography if you were a journalism major. So that was like for a couple of years because they were moving everything over to digital.

SPEAKER_01 8:05

That makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 8:05

I'm 46 if you didn't gather that by this time. Um, so yeah, so I got to Ohio State and I was like, this is what I'm gonna do. They're like, you can't do that unless you're a journalism major. And I did not like writing like in that format, and I was like, no, that's not gonna work. So I think I enrolled as a music music major, and it just ruined music for me. I was like, I really don't want to learn the ins and outs of all of it. Okay, next, like what am I gonna do next? And then somebody was like, I'm a communications major. And I was like, I don't know what that means, but you have to like pick a track so you can kind of like build your schedule. So I'm like, I'm a communications major. I still didn't really know what I wanted to do by like second end of second year. And my friend said, I have almost all of the uh what are they called? All the classes towards interior design. And I had just redecorated like my bathroom, like at my apartment. And I was like, that sounds fun. So I just said I'm gonna do interior design and I graduated. Uh, and I actually did that as my first job, interior design.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 9:10

Yeah, for about four and a half years. Uh that's one thing about my life has been totally different careers over time every few years.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

Let's jump into that.

Interior Design Lessons And Patterns

SPEAKER_01 9:24

First career, interior design. Love it. Yes. What do you what's your takeaway from that one?

SPEAKER_02 9:30

Interior design takeaway was you have to level up your communication in your organization when you are FaceTiming with extremely wealthy people. But at the same time, they are the they are the same as you are. Yeah. Um as far as people. They have the same emotions, they have the same fears, they have the same people are the same, no matter how much money they had. So I learned how to level up my game, but also how to relate to people who I based on my upbringing, I would have been intimidated by. I no longer was intimidated by people that had, you know, 10 times as much money as I had. Or, well, let's let's be honest, a thousand more times than one of them was like the C-suite of the limited. Um, so you know, it was just it was insane. Um and then I also noticed in interior design, I really enjoyed the process side of it, like the inventory management, the process flow. And I also realized that um there's patterns to everything. So even design. So you look at interior design, I'm looking at your background behind you, right? Like there's like some kind of stone component on the left, and then you look, and on the right, there's another stone pot back there, both green on both sides. It's about like balance. There's like some light wood, and then there's some softness in those everything's like a pattern, and you want to have certain things over here, and maybe you're gonna be off balance, but it can't be too off-balance, it has to be visually visually appealing. So even though people think it's an artistic expression, there's patterns to make it pleasing to a person. And same as there's patterns to inventory control or warehouse management or the process of purchase orders. So I really saw that overall, even though creativity is something that a lot of people think is just this right-brained thing. Creativity exists in in a lot of business. Creativity is really putting things in a pleasing order. Um that, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 11:38

That's really cool. No, no, no. It's it's about um, it's almost like you fell in love with the idea of recognizing all the patterns, uh, as well as the creative side of it. What'd you do after that? Why did you leave there and where did you go?

Leaving Toxic Work And Big Pivots

SPEAKER_02 11:55

It was a little bit of a toxic work environment, um, just personally speaking. Um, I learned a lot of about passive aggressive leadership style, and I really only understood that that's what it was. I didn't know that that was bad. I mean, I knew that I didn't feel good, but I just thought that's how businesses ran, you know? Um, so I ended up leaving and I actually drank a lot when I was at that job too. So it just wasn't a healthy environment. Um, and so I left working there and I had this idea that I was gonna move to Hawaii. Like I'm just gonna move to Hawaii. So this is where I moved back to Cleveland for the to Brunswick for the for the year. Um, but unfortunately, before I left, I met my now ex-husband at um, I was bartending and I met him at the bar. And, you know, I'm not saying I would change anything. He wasn't a bad guy, he just wasn't like the best person for me. Um, but I um met him. So I went up and lived with my parents for a year and dated him the whole time, got engaged, and then came back to Columbus. So I was um when I was up there, I worked for a design. Um it was like a high-end furniture store, and I did get design clients through it as well. So I still did some design, did some sales in high-end uh high-end furniture. And then I moved back into 2008, which yeah, fuck my life, right? So I'm like trying to find a job. And I'll tell you, when you're an interior designer, unless you're the owner of the company, you're not making money. They can get interns for hardly anything. A lot of them are women that are dependent on other other people, so they don't need to make as much money. I'm like the breadwinner, right? So I come back and I'm like, I need to make a certain amount of money. I had interviewed with design firms. They're like, that's not what you're gonna make here.

Bookkeeper To CFO During Company Chaos

SPEAKER_02 13:52

So I got a job as a bookkeeper. What a shift. What a shift. And it was really because the company understood my capability, even though I didn't have the skills. They just liked me, I think, as a person. It was a company that had moved from Austria to the United States. It was a technology company and they were building everything from the ground up. So got a job as a bookkeeper and really relied on our staff in Ukraine to teach me like the difference between a debit and a credit. Back to patterns on the wall, I just had like a paper that was like, this is what I need to post. Um, so I learned a lot from the people there. And then they asked me a few months in if I wanted to be in charge of like all the administration for the for the US office. So we built an HR department, a finance department, administration. Um, and yeah, in eight years, I became like the top financial person in the multinational company. Um there's a story there where the owner was, there was uh two brothers and a sister, and the CFO was my boss, and he got pushed out of the company by his brother, who was the CEO. Yes, like like I'm locked in my office with the accounting software because they're trying to get to it to take it. Where the brothers are like in a car driving to the bank to see who can take out money first.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Oh my God, what drama.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Such drama. Um, so when the CEFO is sort of kicked out, they were like, Who's gonna do this job? And I was like, I I don't know. And they're like, Do you want to do it? And I was like, I have no idea even what you're like, I don't even know, other than my one accounting class, like in college, I have no idea what I'm doing. So I said, if you pay me to go back to school, I will figure it out. So I went back to school when I got an accounting certificate. You know, I could have done the whole CPA track, but I really wasn't that into it. Like to just you know, like an accountant for for life.

SPEAKER_03 15:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

Because to be that like internal people figuring stuff out, process that glue thing. Um, as you can imagine, it got a little toxic there too. Uh and so I uh I I mean, I did learn things there. I learned my capability and really like what I could do and how I can move things forward. And I became that glue at that company as well. Uh, made some good friendships and actually met my now husband there. Um so yeah, what do they say on online now? They have this like trend that's like my current husband, you say my current husband in front of your husband. Oh, oh yeah. Husband. No, but this one's my soulmate. He is the best. He's a yin to my yang. He is like calm, he's always the same, he's very steady, he's risk adverse, and I'm a little different than that. So uh I'm glad that I worked there because I would have never met him. Uh and then I was ready to like move on to something else. You know, I've always felt like even though I was on the executive team there, that um I wasn't appreciated financially as much as some of the other people were. So I was ready to go. It's hard to it's hard to grow within one company.

SPEAKER_01 17:15

Yeah, you know, always underpay the people that grow them. They always I never understood that about business, but they always do that. That's why they it's like a catch 22, also a running joke when it's like people job, they call it job hopping, yeah. And they and they get mad at that. I'm like, well, that's the only way people can get paid more and what they're worth. It's sad, it's very sad.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

It's very true. And and I I mean, it was like to the tune of like a little more than half what the exec other executives were making. And when you're in charge of pay payroll, it's hard to see that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Oh, yeah. That's the that's like a double slap in the face. That's hard. So you were you were there for eight years, did I hear?

SPEAKER_02 17:58

Yes, eight years. Yeah, I think. Yeah, I left around in 2014, and there were some changes that were happening there. I wasn't, you know, on board with.

Choosing Culture Consulting To COO

SPEAKER_02 18:08

Um, I then went to like the best places to work in Columbus because um now I'm all about culture. Like I don't even care what I do. Obviously, it doesn't matter what I do, I'm gonna figure it out.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

Right.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

So I had looked and the revolution group was always the top places to work in Columbus, and so I just called them up and I was like, Who's HR? Like, you know, do you have any roles available? And like, you know, it's a family-owned business, our CFO is like the owner's husband. So there was no opportunity to continue in finance or HR, but they had a uh position open to be a finance, um basically a trainer on manufacturing software to teach manufacturing companies how to use software in the financial modules. So I just decided to try it. Consulting, it would be traveling. I was kind of interested in like seeing a little bit more of the country. So I, you know, joined them on as a consultant. And then as I do, like I get bored. I already know how to do that. What's next? You know, then I learned clear modules and I'm a project manager, and then my boss, the accounting manager, wasn't doing it right. So then I was like, I need to do that job. Um, and then it was always about, it's always about I get bored. I want to learn more, I want to do more. So then it was, you know, what else can I do? And so one of our owners is retiring. Um, and so the that's she was the COO. So I moved into director of operations and now I'm the COO. But it's uh I get I get bored. I like to do a lot of different things. Yeah. And I like to be really in it. I love to be in the company helping, figuring stuff out. I get really passionate about making sure things are running smoothly and we're solving problems. Uh and I I like to learn. I like to learn.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Could not vibe with you more. I could not be more like you in all those ways. I figured, I figured. I feel very much the same way. And it's really funny how early on in careers, so for people listening that are like younger, trying to get into business, we're very if you're I think we were the same in this ambitious. You just want to get in and grow as much as you can in a company, but then you realize culture matters way more.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

And you start looking more for that.

SPEAKER_03 20:32

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

And now, now it's not that you've learned everything, it's just that you know so much. So, what do you do with yourself now? And I'm guessing that's when you, very similar to me, just start branching out into your own ventures. Is that fair to say?

SPEAKER_02 20:48

It is. And at Revolution Group, I I've always been able to say, This is a problem. I I think I can solve it. Can I use some of our resources to do it? Can I do it? And they're like, Yeah, you know, so I've been given the freedom to be able to exercise that, to stay engaged and to say stay interested. Um, because if not, I would have gone somewhere else. I I've never been part of a giant corporation with a bunch of red tape because I don't think that I can thrive in that scenario. I'm I'm too scrappy for that.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

So, what'd you do?

SPEAKER_02 21:20

What do you mean? What did I do?

SPEAKER_01 21:21

What did you do with those extra uh the extras that they allowed you, your time, your freedom? You started mindful retreats, right?

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Yeah. So I mean, just within the company, um I started to lead a few different groups within our company. Um, okay yeah, just like having freedom within the company. Um, I became certified in this method called the trusted advisor.

Building Trust And Employee Innovation

SPEAKER_02 21:46

And, you know, in consulting, 80% of the job is emotional change management, keep getting people over fear. 20% of it's the thing that they hired you to do. And consultants can be really easy. Eggheaded and very grainy, and very like, I don't understand why the customer's not understanding what I'm saying. And it's like, because you're not saying it in the way that they can understand. So I started training our internal staff on how to be better consultants and how to be more effective by understanding how people operate and understanding what the elements of building trust are. So I started doing that. Um, I also started innovation teams within our company. You know, all the ideas don't have to come from the top. Like our people at any level of the company know what's wrong with it. They know what products we need to add, they know the things that we need to do. Why are we putting all of that on us up here to get done? People at any level, and I know this from experience, they want to be engaged in change. So we would have these little incubators of employees that would get together on like a weekly basis and talk and brainstorm through new ideas. And then they actually had to create a business plan. We gave them a template, create a business plan around that idea and present that to the executives. And they could also kind of talk to any of us for any guidance that was needed. But it gave them ownership because if you can't always increase somebody's salary, uh, or you can't always give them a promotion based on how flat the company is, you can at least get them more engaged and give them something more to work on. And at the end of the day, you have a new product or you have a new um process. So uh definitely at work, I've had some opportunity for growth and expansion and sort of having my own programs within the company. And then, yes, I started mindful retreats.

Mindfulness Retreats In A Heavy World

SPEAKER_02 23:35

Um trying not to sound too political here, but the world is in chaos and there's only yourself and your community to control or to change. And you can scroll, and I don't have my phone next to me, but you can scroll and see everything that's going on every day and sit there and scroll for three hours every day, or you can do something to change it. And I just realized I needed to do something that brings a little bit more connectedness, centeredness to the world. And by that I mean to myself as well. So I threw a retreat with a friend and I just funded a retreat. I paid for the place we were gonna have it, the food, the practitioners to come. We had, what did we have at the first retreat? I think we had yoga and a sound bath, I think. Um, and journaling and time to yourself and and facilitation. And I flopped because I had zero time to do pictures or I didn't have any success stories. I didn't have any videos, I didn't have any pictures. So I decided um to just give away 80% of the tickets that I didn't sell. I gave them away for free to women in our community that are doing just awesome work. Um, there's a woman that runs a um pack that is to get more women in politics. So 100%, like I want her there. Um, a woman who was the president of a Columbus school board who runs a nonprofit downtown. I want her there. I want these women that are that need a break and need time. And it was such a beautiful experience. These women laughed, we cried, we shared stories, we truly had like a day of rest together. And it's eight hours on a Friday. You can be home for dinner, you can like be home with your kids in the evening, and it's $200. Um, yeah. So it's a passion project. I'm not making like a ton of money on this, like really any money at this point. It's really for me to spend time being more present. We're bringing in women-owned businesses that are holistic practitioners, women that have stories to tell, education to give. We're bringing them all together for this um retreat. And so we had the one in December, we had one in February that sold out, and our May one is about to sell out. I think we have like two tickets left. Um, so yeah, it's fun. Now we're moving into the corporate space where we will give, do the same format. Like you want a restorative retreat for your top customers, your highest donors, your you know, executives, you know, teams that you want to thank. And we also do team building type experiences where we pair learning and workshop or team building experiences also with a holistic practice. So it's kind of an alternative team building experience. So we're getting into that space. Right now, I'm looking for more time to grow that side of the business, which I'm working on. So you'll hear more soon on that, not today. Um but yeah, so the retreat business has been a lot of fun with a lot of interest, and I'm really excited to explore that.

SPEAKER_01 27:03

I think everybody can relate to how heavy the world feels and and how easy it is to get sucked into the negative thinking. So I love that you're doing that. Um, awesome. I'll definitely be joining one of them at some point in life. Good, good.

The Tapestry Advice And Farewell

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Uh I tend to end every episode the same. And I know 30 minutes always flies by, but the question I always end with is what advice would you give to somebody that's listening, especially you who has lived also eight million lives and is is very interested in a lot of different things. We're always told like you have to pursue one or go after one and give it give it all you've got. And I'm not saying that should be your advice, but you're you're live like a living embodiment of somebody who said, screw that, I'm living my life as I'm going to. And then you just made it what you wanted. Almost, I know you didn't sound like you had a lot of stress doing it, but I I know you did. There's no way you didn't, otherwise, you wouldn't have started mindfulness retreats. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So, what what advice would you give to somebody listening?

SPEAKER_02 28:13

So, my mom passed away a few years ago, and she used to say that your life is like a tapestry. So the very front of it looks like it's all put together, it's perfect, and it paints this story that's very clear.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

But then when you flip it over, it's a mess, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:38

Yeah, and so everything we do is who we are, all the mistakes that you make, all the successes that you have, the people that you share your life with are all part of your journey. And on the front to everybody, social media, LinkedIn, anything, it's always gonna look like a certain, you know, one sentence line of who you are as a person. But when you flip it over and you look at everything that makes you who you are, you're that's who you are as a person, is all the threads going from one side of the tapestry to the other. And it's not gonna make sense to anybody else, but it makes sense to you. So I will say, whether it's in leadership or anything else, like it's not a place that you reach, and it's not even a place that you start, other than when you're born, and everything that you learn and everything that you do is part of your journey. And when you look back, you'll realize how the skills that you've learned over time, even happenstance or randomly, how that plays a role in what you're doing today. And you'll realize that you are created and you are creating who you are, and that you're never a one-line sentence. Like you're always this mix of all the things that have happened over time. And you know, people might have regrets, but you don't you don't need them because that's just it's who you are. So that's that's all I would say is as I have jumped around. Um, I've I've always been curious and I've always wanted to learn, and I'm I'm interested in adding more messy threads to the back of my tapestry.

SPEAKER_01 30:10

I love that. You couldn't have said it any better. We never heard that, and I really am grateful that you shared that. That was amazing. Thank you, Ken. Jennifer, thank you. I walked away from this one with so much to think about, and I know our listeners did too. If today resonated with you, please reach out to Jennifer and look into her mindfulness retreats. Eight hours on a Friday, home for dinner, home with your kids, and a full day of rest, intention, and real connection in between. Her details are in the show notes. I would encourage you to go get tickets to her next one. And here's what I want you to carry out of this episode. Flip your tapestry over, all those messy threads, the detours, the unexpected pivots, the chapters that never made sense at the time. That is who you are. And it's more beautiful than the front side ever could be. Now we're not done with this duo. Next episode you'll hear from Jennifer's business partner. And from everything I've heard, you do not want to miss it. Make sure you're subscribed so you don't miss a thing. If this episode moved you, share it, send it to someone who needs a reminder that her nonlinear path is not a flaw. It's the whole point. Leave us to review, spread the word. This community grows one shared at time, and I'm so grateful you're here. Remember, your life is your story to tell. Why not make it extraordinary? Until next time, I'm Dahlia. Thanks for being here.